Do not spoil/waste this game!

I am disappointed..i am angry..j'aime BRINK but actually think of give up it or at least leave this site and avoid play whit some members: in the last days i have witnessed a series of match when after a few minutes the game was clearly unbalanced and so on with a static siege of the base respawn and this again and again for 5-6 maps until the other side was only bots, the player what "stock" was almost all members of this forum, i even see some of you exposure and die under the static turrets of the base point in the thirst for blood! how do you have fun playing only in the same small portion and objectives of the map? how do you feel satisfied on your skills with raging on defenseless opponents? how do you think the over newbies take all that violence? probably they turn back to CoD or other thinking "this is less deep and interesting than Brink but at least i can learn it and have fun".
Have you never heard: "many enemies, much honor"? or "a true warrior measures the own strength on that of the opponents"? ...i learned on my skin with more than 12 years of martial art(also agonistic).
Maybe i not have experience of agonistic E-sport at high level but my curriculum is: over than 30 FPS singleplayer finished(that on my gamertag was only the most worthy of mention) probably over than 6000 hours in competitive/coop split screen on the best and hard console exponents (Goldeneye N64 from RARE mostly in primis) after almost 2000h in lan party and multiplayer online only the last 3 years with almost 1000h on various and more than 1000h in Battlefield BC2 e BF3 with the same "clan" of my 5 veryfriend that play ever from the console beginning : we rapidly icreased from suffer from all, to not to find opponents who were not very strong clan and so make a lot of rage quitting server ; is at this point that i start to fear and to be frustrated more from getting to the side stronger because soon the opponents rightly ragequit and empty the server..but in this my experience i dont ever see so many people enter and exit a game so quick: have been more than 30 players in less than half an hour! only i and 1 guy we have endured during the match by 5 minutes each of unprecedented aggressiveness and poor gameplay; I died so many times, even less than the other, that constantly see the ranking and on the one hand i was happy so many people play the game but on the other i fear that they were new and be scared from all this i learned to respect the learner not humiliate, from all the player you can learn some new, and sometimes the beginner have more fantasy and fresh new way to execute an old mechanical action so my advice is not dive or splurge on the enemy you dont know like as if they deserved punishment

Sorry for made so long and for the criticism not required but i want to help this game to live on and because i like the forum and all the members i have meet seems nice and honest, expecially Ematic that i fought against not a lot but what little i see he make it at my level in a sport way

Hey Othon, thanks to share to us your opinion.
What is the problem ? I think you know, my english is sooooo bad, so I haven't understand all your long post , im sorry.
You find our gamestyle no fairplay isn't it ?

Hi Othon, I really appreciate that you give your opinion (and I encourage other to do the same as I want ppl to dicuss/debate after all it's a forum) and even if it's the internet I believe that it takes guts to give your opinion so thx for your post.
Also not to be rude but I loled when saw that:

expecially Ematic that i fought against not a lot but what little i see he make it at my level in a sport way

because it may be true in training yes but as soon as the game gets serious he's the 1st one that'll reap you.

I think that Ematic and I had an argument for nearly the same matter. It was about spawnkill. IMO spawnkill is fair when the two teams are equally skilled and are high level player. I think that it is humiliating but it is fair. However when you clearly dominate the opposite team, spawnkill is humiliating and not sportive as you don't need it to win and because victory doesn't really matters.
However I personaly like to win and I also like to make people ragequit if they are not ppl that I know. It's all the more satisfying when there is challenge (so in public I go on the team where there are bots.) and spawkill in an FPS is your best way to do so.

But you're wise because as you say such violent behavior will make ppl hate Brink and it's contradictory to our will which is to increase the community.
The question now would be how far do we have to gimp ourselves to make the game enjoyable for noob players?? No spawnkill ok, I'm still stronger than you no grenade? ok etc...It will be ridiculous.
So I believe that you're right in a way good players should not play at 100% and should adapt their skill level to the ennemy one. That's why I'm ok not to spawnkill and let people take the first objective but not kill them if I see them no.

I personnaly believe that if we really want to make a difference it's by teaching them and sharing our knowledge. Hence the forum (which I co-created with Ematic) and the guide (that I've written). That's why noobs should also try to learn, read my guide and accept that they don't know. Instead of ragequitting when the occasion comes (I speak for a friend of mine not for the ppl you were talking about, who ragequit as soon as he looses instead of analysing his mistakes and learning from them) I see so much ppl for instance who do the same thing again and again even though death (me) is waiting for him.

You convinced me not to go too hard on noobs but I demand that in exhange for my mercy that they read my guide and make an effort to learn how to play.

i agree with mind...
thats why i translate the guide to german...

If I can add my little touch, on every FPS game you can find better players than others, and on these games it's similar as Brink.
Good players spawnkill other. On sport like football, rugby, etc... If you have the adventage, you play on the other side, not in yours.
I know it's no interesting, but not unfairplay. Lots of player play to win, they play at 100%. Normal.

TO: Ematic: i hope you understand my english but if not there's no problem ..no i dont want say "this gamestyle no fair play" but "this is not competitive" the important thing is not winning but taking part because if is not challenge there no match, in every sport and game theres a "match making"...i would just say take it easy do not overdo it if not necessary..in this regard i have a question that perhaps is the topic: last night you and i have a coop public match with some human for each faction, in two occasion we were completing objectives with no difficult and there still 15-20 minutes but i see you a little agitated and frenzied as if we were to lose and you asked me to escort the hostage and after the robot because nobody make it while you were running to the front as if there had been an alien invasion! what i thought was "why so much stress, so much hurry, why should not he follow me? to teach me, to correct me,to have fun together, why it seems to be working? he'll be having fun??"
I just want to make constructive criticism..sorry if i cant make small topics.

TO: The_Mind: yes!yes!yesss! you see the "problem" and I'll tell you what was the solution, at least for me, in the other game were i was a veteran : when i feel the opposition is feeble(..and is not the case of switch in the other faction), i start to "relax" on the mission objectives, there's no more adrenaline rush if the enemy dont scared me, so victory is no more interesting, and i start to be..the cat that plays with the mouse..i wait they make the first move or i chase on the back, i observe that they do, i let them make something and then the moment is perfect and spectacular or if they see me and start to fight i will strike but whitout hurry, maybe with a difficult shot or maneuver to make them see what i(and the game) can do, and if the threat is not so much i even not give the final blow i run away to restart the "hunt" and if instead i will be beaten..good! i am pleased that enemy have exploited his chance, maybe i have taught him to improve and "if the student exceeds the teacher" what an honor! the thought of wanting to impress your guide to the novices seem right, even I could advertise it in the forum along with my profiloGT?
apart from that i like the style of your guide, i dont read it all, i will, but being an old "FPS lover" i like to discover on my own, to use all the weapons and all the skills maybe even the worst to play BRINK as is RPG side[my three characters are on the model of: space marine(Alien the film), native american(Turok the N64 game) and Marv(Sin City the U.S.A.comics)].

I call it "teamwork". Nobody escorted the hostage, I said to you to do that because i'm more important to kill other team than walk near him. I play a "captain" role, I give "order" to win, it's necessary to coordinate action and win. If everybody play for his personal satisfaction, the team is very beatable. In Brink, 2-3 organised players can easy down a no organised team. It's the only reason why i said to you what you must do in the game.
I like teach how yo play, and when a friend ask me for tips, it's a real pleasure to explain, show, etc... But in a game, my only goal is to win.
About the stress I have, i evacuate it on Brink, it's my "adrenaline", a really good thing for me.
If I give you my stress, sorry, and mute me

yes Ematic, also the perfect balanced game dont exist but if we comparing with the sports(wich normally i dont like)but i mistake or there are always categories to be considered and that when two teams are not the same level they play a "friendly match" where the faults(=spawnkill) are no allowed? and is more important in the boxe/fighting sports/martial arts where a professional(=you) if will battle at 100% with amateur would send regular K.O. if not kill them all as long as no opponents remain, those who remain to challenge after? maybe sometimes there are player like me who can collect and enjoy your high skill but you can have more than this: have you noticed last night late when we play public with the other forum members there are that two really good player Saraketh(i hear you noticed is ability) and Thoenix, i think they are lone-wolf, i have see in other match and like me they change faction when there an imbalance before thinking to win at all cost, suppress and spawnkill the other. I spawnkill a lot in Battlefield but after a while always brought us to a empty server and so a lot of time lossing, spawkill a little is fine but persevere is diabolical!!

For your last mess:...ok you want win but WHO you want win? if on the other side there are only bot or maybe a couple of new players that not even know where/how is the goal who becomes aware of your victory? Indeed, it is a win since there not was a real opponent?
And i dont boring or have been bothered when you "order" me, i instantly know the strategic reason you say,(i was only shocked by your desire to win a game so uncompetitive) .. but i have to admit that later then are the other forum player i hear someone who encouraged me to assault when I only wanted to stay hidden snipe for a while, because im noob, only 1 month, for this actually i dont think to want enter a clan or partecipate a tournament i want to enjoy freely the game and like i said i dont love sport(martial arts yes) so im not so competitive.

Hi,
About Ematic I've already tried I don't think that you can change his mind. I admit I was shocked to see someone care so much for victory even when the game is clearly unbalanced. But it's a point of view I can't say that mine is better. However it's true that's sometimes you have to put your personnal point of view aside for a greater good. Meaning you slow down a little bit, you don't go 100% otherwise no more people will play this game and I know that for certain people it's very difficult to do it.

Also about this:

..i wait they make the first move or i chase on the back, i observe that they do, i let them make something and then the moment is perfect and spectacular or if they see me and start to fight i will strike but whitout hurry, maybe with a difficult shot or maneuver to make them see what i(and the game) can do, and if the threat is not so much i even not give the final blow i run away to restart the "hunt" and if instead i will be beaten..good! i am pleased that enemy have exploited his chance, maybe i have taught him to improve

I don't think that you help them by doing that because this is not how people play. It may be a game but it's kill or be killed and they have to get used to it. Also I personaly believe that pression makes ppl learn fast and better. Not necessarly to much pression but just what they need to take good habits. I think that the way you do it is to pacifist to make them progress in a war game.

I am a stubborn like a and maybe two are more convincing, with him and others who might follow in his footsteps ..mmh, it's not wrong what you say, Mind. Is good and rigth that we all have different point of view, free to play as we like, and compare them make all of us stronger , so i know that lacking in competitiveness i'll never be so skilled as Ematic or other high-end player.
I always think first FUN, for all ,then when the challenge is clearly shown, i grow the competitive spirit. This is SPORT!

Also you right : i can not be pacifist or worse, pity, to help the "weaker", because if too much the game become boring even to him as having lost after 5 minutes without being able to do anything ..the trick is engage without pressing just like in gambling! like the professional gamer at poker or pool billiard, that i praticed for some years..have you ever see the fantastic film "The Sting"(i dont know if the american title is the same) with Paul Newman and Robert Redford or the unofficial following with Newman and Tom cruise?..if you want to pluck your victim: first you have to let him win, then strip it all away with one blow, so maybe think that you were just lucky, and you still will pluck

Hi,

maybe two are more convincing, with him and others who might follow in his footsteps

I didn't understand this sentence.

Is good and rigth that we all have different point of view, free to play as we like, and compare them make all of us stronger ,I always think first FUN, for all ,then when the challenge is clearly shown, i grow the competitive spirit. This is SPORT!

Yes, I totally agree with you.

Yes I've seen it right after Newman's death it was a great actor and a cool movie. However I'm not sure I understand you. Are u saying that you fake to engage him? So you miss on purpose while dodging his bullets, that way he still have pression? In that way it can make him progress I guess until he's ready to do a real fight. But you're also talking about gambling and luck, so I'm confused because there is no luck in this game except maybe the bullets trajectories at long range or the sea eagle when hip-firing which are not so ruled by your precision (and still it's arguable).

Bonjour Mind..

maybe two are more convincing, with him and others who might follow in his footsteps

i have read all your guide(essential and exhaustive other than entertaining) and having been under the "spawn kill" and other techniques i recognize the effectiveness,and think it can be managed and fought in BRINK unlike other games like BatlleField, but my first impression of playing private games of Ark-Arena was the game is totally unbalanced and then restrictive as when i fought in public against the same people they play the same(light body, carb-9, etc..), instead this is only the "easy way" the simple-best mode to compete in agonistic skirmish, where even if you fight against..your mother, you must not give anything, not even the fun for yourself!
To be clear i'm afraid that the veteran have lost the ability to separate the two thing: agonistic match/play for fun, same characacter/different ability-weapon-tactics-objectives-behavior im not here to criticize or judge only to expose my thoughts, in the hope that new and old player never tire of this game!

..and about the chanche and luck in BRINK..hey! yes it's true! they don't exist! not at the high level, but the newbe do not know it!..exactly how in poker and pool billiard, all the professionals say it..and this is significant of the undoubted greatness of BRINK, where diversity is not so evident compared to other products like CoD ,where it is known that 30% the result is good or bad luck.
And to this end we got together, i did not realize all this before..now i have this new great example for speaking well of the game with my friends..
thanks Mind now is clear for my why you have this nickname
..but when we meet on the battleground? i want to be fragged by you, to know your "style" and maybe we can ally and find a technique to counteract and cancel the spawnkill

dont worry about them some of us ues diffent tacticks and one you kown how to kill them it gets a lot easyer

Good players should NOT gimp themselves to account for bad players or newbies. Theyre not going to get better that way. Rather switch teams or invite them to yours, play with them, give them pointers, help them. Be their 'mentors', so to speak. One day they might be better than you and than you're the one getting you're a** kicked Remember: all good players were once newbies. The game would be so much more enjoyable for everyone if people just worked together to raise the skill standards instead of taking the easy option and just lowering it. If you're playing a game where the other team is getting spawn killed, then take it upon yourself to switch teams and even the odds, make the game fair i.e. make it FUN. This is a team-based game, after all...